6/22/12 Update: One one of my grooming forums, someone posted this information about mink oil alternatives. From Wikipedia:
“Mink oil is made from mink fat and originates from China. The fat that is made into this oil is stored just beneath the skin. Removed from pelts destined for the fur industry, the fat is rendered into mink oil.
Mink oil is a source of palmitoleic acid, which possesses physical properties similar to human sebum. Because of this, mink oil is used in several medical and cosmetic products. Mink oil is also used for treating/conditioning and preserving nearly all kinds of leather.
Botanical alternatives to mink oil as a source of palmitoleic acid include macadamia nut oil (Macadamia integrifolia) and sea buckthorn oil (Hippophae rhamnoides), both of which contain a larger percentage of palmitoleic acid (22 and 40% respectively) than does mink oil (17%).
‘Mink oil and its fatty acids are unique among animal-derived fats and oils. The total unsaturated fatty acids in mink oil account for more than 75% of the fatty acid content, but the oil, nevertheless, has a greater oxidative stability (resistance to rancidity)… than other animal or vegetable oils.'”
I have a bee under my bonnet about something: The use of mink in products.
Saturday is the second tradeshow I have gone to where there is a company called “Touch of Mink” that is fairly pushy about their product (at least to me). They ask to take your hand and do a demo on it.
I tried to ask the obvious, “Mink?” Really?” Truthfully, I thought the fur industry was long gone by now. But they are so confident that I thought maybe they were going to tell me that there is a new ‘dolphin cruelty free tuna’ method of obtaining mink oil that I will be thrilled with.
At the first show (a pet event), a young girl excitedly told me that the products are primarily used for burn victims, etc., etc. I still felt a little nervous, but didn’t want to be rude by asking for specifics and putting anyone on the spot. So, I went home and Googled. To my surprise, Utah (my 2nd home) is a major mink producer. What?! No!
My second surprise was that mink “by products” are used in dog food. Tell me this is incorrect. Apparently, the mink industry is alive and well. Who is buying and wearing mink coats anymore??? I wouldn’t dare. Sure, our mothers had them, but it just isn’t done anymore.
So, I read further and found that mink ‘ranchers’ are a die hard bunch. “How else are we going to make a living? We’ve been doing it for generations!” they were quoted as saying in news articles in response to an apparent series of raids that animal activists were doing in Utah. The activists were ‘liberating’ the mink from their cages. That’s another post for another day with the exception being that *I* have had to change careers out of necessity. It can be *did,* especially over the time period of ‘generations.’
My second tradeshow was last weekend. It was a craft and sewing show. Guess who? Touch of Mink. Again, I tried to avoid, but they called me over and, again, wanted my hand. I decided to stop and have a conversation with a more mature woman (ahem–someone my age). This was a more interesting talk because she was full of answers, even one that might be complete horse feathers. You let me know.
So, I dared to ask, “So, mink huh?” I think they are ready for people who are less questioning. Strategy 1: Re-direct. Show how amazing your skin will feel. Explain the full line of products. Do a demo.
Strategy 2: For the person who very gently presses the issue. “So, what about the mink? Is this still being done?” Launch into a hazy, Disney-fied vision using words like “by products, “these are *ranched* animals.” Does this make a difference? Because, in a way it almost makes it seem even “wronger.” I’m possibly not educated enough on the subject to have an intelligent conversation, but if there was an overpopulation of, say, rabbit or deer, then it could be argued that is a smart use of an animal that is going to be hunted/extinguished anyhow. But, to purposely breed to kill? Well, that question is one that definitely drives people into their corners on a daily basis, no doubt about that. Stay with me…
For the person who presses even further (that would be me, but I didn’t give a disapproving face, just gentle questions)
“Is it, you know, humane? These are questions my customers and friends will ask and I kind of need to know before I could promote. It does sound like it does amazing things.”
This got me into ‘testy’ territory.
“Are you a vegetarian?”
“Well, there you go.” (Said with a cranky, impatient look.)
??? What kind of answer is that? Honestly, I did not ask the questions in a way that was aggressive. She was still holding my hand in her cleansing water. I was just a curious consumer willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. (And, p.s., YOU ARE THE ONE THAT CALLED ME OVER LIKE A CARNIE AND INSISTED ON SHOVING MY HAND INTO YOUR PRODUCT.)
It was a sudden switch from exuberant salesperson to me being a problem. Now we were getting to the nitty gritty. Vegetarian vs. Non-Vegatarian is something we all have to weigh in on personally, but straight answers were what I was going for. Any company who sells mink products would HAVE to expect that a product like this (and perhaps, horse/cat/dog meat as well) is going to raise questions from any semi-intelligent person, or at least the average American? Those are meats that we, as a culture, don’t accept very well.
They especially need to anticipate questions from business people from whom they might want to retail and/or recommend the products. Is this how I’m supposed to respond to questions from my own clients? A company that is proud and confident about their product will have nailed this sensitive topic down.
Question that I wanted to ask but didn’t dare: “So, if the oil is super important for the medical profession, how is there any left over for non-essential products such as body lotions and especially pet shampoos? We have amazing plant-based products already that do a superb job. Is the mink industry struggling and/or greedy and just trying to create a demand? (Personal note: In all honesty, if I had a child with a severe burn or bite and the sacrifice of a mink would heal this better than any product known to man, I would justify its use. I would thank the animal profusely and apologize and be very grateful. I know, I did just stray into my own personal “Sophie”s Choice” terrain. Let me try to steer us back on track.)
Next question asked quietly and respectfully, “So, um, how *is* the oil obtained from the animal?”
“Let me tell you something. These animals are treated VERY well. Because if you have unhappy mink, they do not grow beautiful coats.”
(Gulp.) Uh oh. Looks like we were getting away from the main purpose of the animal being a medical wonder. Now she’s admitting to fur mining? Don’t think I like where this is going. I kind of next anticipated some kind of reverse argument that goes like this: “Well, if we’re ranching mink for medically necessary purposes anyhow, then why let the pelt go to waste? Use every part of the animal and make sure it is salable.” Even that could be a fairly strong persuasive argument if I wanted to be on “Team Mink.”
“So, the animal is *not* alive then.”
“No, the animal is alive! They remove the fat between the pelt and the body.”
“Oh, so the animal is alive while they extract the oil?”
“They don’t need to kill the mink to harvest their oil?” (In the farthest reaches of my brain, I was imagining something akin to squeezing of a dog’s anal glands. Gross, but…well, doable.)
“No. Again, they remove the fat from between the meat and the pelt.”
“Ok, I see. ‘Pelt’ just sounds like something that is not alive.” (I don’t refer to the stuff on my dog as a pelt, but as fur.)
“Yes, it’s alive.”
“Wonder how they get the oil from that? A needle into the coat?”
“Yes, that’s exactly what they do.” (My mind is now picturing something akin to liposuction on a mink.)
“Wow! That’s great and really interesting!!”
“Yes, don’t you love how your skin feels? Can you tell a difference between this hand and that hand? Mink oil is so much like our own skin oil that you can literally put a drop in your eye and it will not hurt.” (And back to all of the benefits of their products and which ones would I like to purchase today.)
“Do you have anything I can rea..?”
Before I can finish my sentence, she slaps a handout into my hand. “Yes, you can read all about it on our website. It’s all there.” And, she’s off. I presumed that I was time wasted. This is short sighted. Slap a free sample in my hand, get my contact information because if what you’re telling me is correct and harmless then I *will* order a superior product. This is how I came upon the products I rely on to this day. I will even make sure you get the commission. But, if I am treated like this *before* the sale, I am reasonably confident I will be treated with less regard after.
So, I just took the brochure and just now visited the website. Guess what is not there that you would think would be THE first question posed and answered in the FAQs?
Oh, it’s answered, and here is the official answer. The saleswoman tried to fill my head with sweet eclair cream. Mink oil is NOT obtained from live animals. According to their own website what she told me with a straight face was a blatant lie. It’s one thing to offer a product and just be honest and confident, but it is entirely another thing to fabricate something so outrageous to make a sale…a sale to a potential retailer who would then be lying (and embarrassing themselves and potentially angering customers who think I am lying to them) to their customers who rely on professionals to do their homework. “Disappointed” is the nicest word I can use to describe how I feel about this person and the company.
Another thing is that the company only mentions that this oil is used incidentally in the medical community; it doesn’t present it as being so necessary that we need to ranch mink over the whole thing. The main use for a mink, apparently, is still for vanity: Fur. And, what the heck? Sell the meat to dog food manufacturers.
Here’s the link and here’s their official information: Notice that it does not even mention the medical industry.
“Mink oil is a by product of the fur and pet food industry. Minks are farmed here in the United States just as any other ranched animals: chickens for meat and feathers, geese for down for pillows and blankets, cows for meat and leather products. The mink meat is used for dog and pet food, the fur industry uses the pelts and we buy the fat and oil which would otherwise be destroyed in our landfills. It is then sent to a Texas A & M University lab and filtered through a process to remove impurities and deodorize the oil.”
And here’s another relevant quote from their “About Us” page.
“All of us at Touch of Mink are encouraged and expected to promote integrity, honesty, respect and a professional relationship with everyone we come in contact with, especially our customers. We hope your use of our Touch of Mink products brings you healthy and younger looking skin for many years!”
I did ask her which dog food manufacturers use mink. She responded, “Almost all of them. They won’t list it as such, however, it will just be identified as “bone meal” because the public won’t tolerate seeing “mink” listed as an ingredient.”
Hmm…Whole Dog Journal, are you reading?
So, she IS aware of the controversy.
Unless someone can really convince me to see this another way or that she didn’t lie through the roof, I can’t support this. I’m pretty tolerant, but a major lie is unacceptable to me, unethical, disrespectful, unprofessional, and just really makes me mad. Your thoughts?
Update: I did email a link to this blog entry directly to the company and invited them to come here and leave a response. If they respond via email, I will post that as well. I also sent an invitation to Whole Dog Journal to read and review.
Reblogged this on FUR OUT THE CLOSET: and commented:
Although this post was written a while back, the information is still accurate. Please check the ingredients and if shampoos sold for cats and dogs contain mink oil, don’t buy. Mink suffer terribly on farms 😥
When l went to buy my dog food at petco l notice they were selling chinchillias , no thank you will not buy mink oil,when your killing this animal, and yes l do not eat meat and l will not have a animal killed so l can have my dogs coat shine, trading one animal for another, hell no !
I am having trouble understanding how the general public would have an issue with mink being listed as an ingredient in dog formula but chicken, beef, lamb or turkey (whether meat or by product) is somehow more tolerable? The logic here doesn’t connect. All are animals farmed and grown to be killed but since mink meat is not traditionally used in the average American’s cookbook then it is deemed ‘unacceptable’? Why don’t the bleeding heart hypocrites raid Foster Farms? Or are these animals less deserving because liberal activists have deemed grilled chicken caesar salads PC? Hypocrisy knows no bounds.
Thank you for your comment. How did “Liberal” get into a comment? Conservatives don’t have hearts? Anyhow…
I created and wrote this blog years ago and forgot about it. I just came back to read and reminded me of the incident.
How do I feel about it now? It’s true that I cannot feed my dog rice and beans and expect him to thrive. I’ve had to make peace with this. It really is a bummer that we have to kill some animals to feed others. The killing process is something I cannot personally do and it’s convenient to see it all nicely packaged up. But, I’ve read about the process and…I don’t know.
I do come from a ranching/farming family. We still have a ranch – sheep, here in Utah. And by “sheep”, people are buying “lambs.” (Silence of the Lambs ring a bell? The screaming.) And there are incidental chickens and a cow. Theoretically, I know what happens. I can’t be there to watch. I tried eating the lamb stew for the first time recently and I felt sick. I’ve been out to visit the beloved beasts. I thank them for their lives and personally try not to eat meat as much as I can get away with.
My dog is currently getting goat. I read a horrifying account by a chef who is now a vegetarian about being invited to a goat slaughter and what a sickening process it was. I try to go for chicken, turkey, or fish generally. Is that any better? Not sure.
But, mink. I see their website is no longer working. Out of business? I see another commenting that I should have spoken to the manager (I thought I was) who would know more. The blatant lie was disturbing.
To become desensitized to killing for me is…sad. If you don’t feel sad, I guess you’ll never get it. Here’s a link to what was a turnaround for me on insensitivity. There was a time I didn’t think dogs even had ‘feelings’ – I could be as brutal as the next person. I changed.
“Are you willing to be wrong about that?”
In conclusion, mink seems to be a luxury and that not much meat is obtained for it. There seem to be very good alternatives to mink. I guess that makes me a ‘bleeding’ heart after all. Sometimes we’re good for something, like when you bring us an injured animal or beloved child or even yourself and want some understanding and compassion. I’ve been quite capable of being both, actually – compassionate and heartless. I like my compassionate self more.
Just know that, yes, most people that will call you like a carnie, are in fact a carnie. crammed with as much knowledge as possible in 3 days. If you want good information talk to the booth manager. they have been first hand with the product for years. unfortunately you can’t catch everyone who just says whatever off the top of their head to keep you enguaged in conversation. All these internal questions and basic rant could be directed at someone who could actually answer your questions… did you ever think of that?
Sara, you said it all so much better than I ever could have! The dishonesty of a rep is the first red-flag. The second is the company itself admitting to the farming for fur, meat and oil. Sigh … THANK YOU for letting us know!